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Topic: War Messures Act 1970 (FLQ)&(Medal) (Read 1684 times)
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Easton
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Your kidding right?  ? Man a lot of us back then where smacking bigger bugs and conditions then the FLQ had to through at us. If you wanted to see a war talk to some of the guy's RCR that kept the Vandoo's out of our bars in Soest at that time, that deserved a medal more then walking the streets of Montreal. maybe it should be called something other then War Messures. Should there be a Medal NO WAY Hey you said Comments Welcome Rod Easton |
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Easton
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Sorry man if I hit a tender spot ,, hey and I do know where your coming from re US Forces receiving medals for just about everything thats normal ruteen in the Canadain Forces. I'm not sure if our paths crossed but , I was posted to Germany from July 1967 to July 1972 some of witch was rear party to close out bases, the part that makes me see red is my first leave back to Canada was fall of 1970 and getting marching orders instead of continuing with leave. I don't want or need a medal for that job and was glad to return to Germany. I noticed on one of your other posts about Gagetown I was there in fall of 72 and summer of 1973 not sure of month the Dab knows though. Not sure where I'm going with this but you said comments welcome and didn't mean to poke you with a stick.
Hey Don and Doug if your reading this, are you old timers going up to Petawawa ? I live north of Kingston and will be heading up on my lawnmower next weekend, should make in time if not pick me up on the road,,Just Kidding
Rod Easton
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Young Ken
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First off let me thank everyone who had posted here and please do not think that your opinions don’t count because they do. I respect each and every one of them as we (the Soldiers of any service or Regiment) are in fact the only ones that ever did meet the requirements of this statement.
“I disagree one hundred percent, with what you have to say”
“But would fight to the death for your right to say it.”
No Tender spots were or could ever be hit. I like to “debate” and if you don’t have two sides to a debate it quickly becomes a “statement” with pats on the back for good measure. Not much fun at the best of times.
And now to the debate:
I would have thought that anyone who had to postpone their leave upon returning from Cyprus would not only like a pat on the back for his trouble but also some recognition for having gone beyond the call of duty because lets face it after food, pay and equipment, leave is the one thing that a soldier always dreams of, sort of a sacred trust, so to speak.
Hehehe well maybe it is more beer, women, pay and leave but you get the drift. And lets be honest here, that is one time in Canadian History that you will never forget, if only because of the leave. But Alas the Cyprus crew is only a very small part of those who took part and you will always remember it, medal or not.
As for the time requirement, not sure but every medal seems to have their own requirements some are as little as 30 days such as the HUMANITAS (Authorized by PC 1993 - 449, 09 March 1993) and many others require 180 days so I don’t believe that the time requirement would be a factor as the Government sets the rules anyway. And when I thought about it a bit (this being a bit far fetched) If troops got hurt on the first day or for that matter the 80th day, of a deployment in any of the Canadian or UN, wars/campaigns does that mean that they don’t get a medal. Now I am not comparing the Oct. Crises to WW II or anything like that.
What I am getting at is that people like our Fathers spent the whole second world war in Battles for the Canadian military and came home with as little as 5 medals while the Americans that came in two years later and went to the same battles from that time on, came home with 20 or so. Small South American Countries that have in most cases never gone to war outside of their own country have chests full of ribbons and at the same time some of our Canadian soldiers that have spent 20 years of their life dedicated to their country might have as few as 3 ribbons. The FLQ thing is my way of giving a suggestion of a start to remedy that. There might be better and more reasonable things to give recognition for, such as helping in floods, fires and civil emergencies, both here abroad but this is one that I could sink my teeth into because it involved most of the land troops that were on ground in Canada at the time, and so I ran with it.
Now!!!!! What is going on in Pet on the first of July?
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Mike Blais
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I think they should award a medal. Remind the separatist Quebeckers and anybody else who would attempt to thwart our soverienty that we shall not just sit on our thumbs should they decide to embrace violence.....
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Easton
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HA HA HA Good one Doug,,,,, I guess some think they need some glitter for : the big emerge shoveling snow in Toronto when the troops where called out,,or better yet Ipperwash in 66 and 72, that was more of in arms way then Quebec.
Chew on this pro medal folk
Just stiring the pot,,,,,,,,,,,Rod
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Young Ken
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Hey fellows it's not like it hasen't been done before. Check out the A,B and C on who could apply. heheheh you will also note that the Government back then tried also to forget about it until 29 years later. It's time to make another run at it.
Canadian General Service Medal
(1866 - 1870)
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Terms
The medal was awarded to members of the Imperial and Canadian forces who had taken part in the suppression of the Fenian raids and Riels' first rebellion, the latter being generally referred to as the Red River expedition.
Because the medal was not issued until 1899, it was awarded only if applied for and the recipient must have:
(a) been on active service in the field;
or
(b) served as guard at any point where an attack from the enemy was expected;
or
(c) been detailed for some specific service or duty.
Bars
Fenian Raid (1866): Fenians is the name of the old Irish National Militia. After the Civil War in the USA, the American Fenians were bolstered by Civil War mercenaries. In need of something to occupy this large force, John O'Neil crossed the Niagara River, captured Fort Erie, and made his headquarters at Limeridge. The Fenians defeated a unit of the Canadian Militia at Ridgeway, but withdrew to the USA when a stronger force was sent to the area. President Johnson had many of the Fenians arrested.
Fenian Raid (1870): On 26 May 1870, O'Neil again crossed the border near Franklin, Vermont, but was forced back quickly and again arrested.
Red River (1870): Colonel Garnet Wolseley led an expedition to Fort Garry, leaving Toronto on 14 May and reaching Fort Garry on 24 August. They captured Louis Riel and prevented a Fenian raid on Manitoba.
Description
A circular, silver medal, 1.42 inches in diameter.
Obverse
The obverse shows a diademed and veiled effigy of Queen Victoria wearing the Order of the Garter, facing left, and the legend VICTORIA REGINA ET IMPERATRIX.
Reverse
The reverse displays the red ensign of Canada, floating with the breeze, surrounded by a wreath of maple leaves and surmounted by the word CANADA.
Mounting
A plain, straight, swivelling suspender is attached to the medal with a double-toe claw.
Ribbon
The ribbon is 1.25 inches wide and consists of three equal stripes: red, white, and red. (The same ribbon as the 1943 Canada Medal.)
Naming
The recipient's name, service number, rank, and unit were indented, impressed or engraved on the rim.
Dates
The medal was authorized in January 1899, twenty-nine years after the last event it commemorated.
Issued
There were 16,668 of the medals awarded, always with bars. Of these, 15,300 were awarded to Canadian units.
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Calvin Joudrey
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Is there a War Measures Act Brides Association? Couldn't resist asking, I married
a girl I met in Montreal, while on duty during the crisis..... I always call her a War Bride!
Calvin Joudrey
Guelph, ON
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I remmber we had just got back from Cyprus and they canceled our leave for it. I dont think the Gov wants any reminders of envoking the act, so in my opion they would never consent to a medal.
Lets start with medals if I'm not mistaken you have to be in a theater of operations for 90 days to qualify for a campaign ribbon (don't quote me) and like a lot of people we didn't want our leave to be canceled, after the time in Cyprus no one wanted to go, I think the country can well do with out the reminder that what Cyprus was we came home and did it in our country, very sad time As the real old dudes say I took the "shilling" so I was obligated to do the job I don't think that I need to be reminded about that part of Canadian history but thats just my opinion. medal for it nope don't need it.As for Petawawa I will be there with bells on hope to see a few of the old crew medals or not. But Kenny you do know how to stir up the pot good on you mate and welcome to the Club.One for Rod Ill be looking for you in Pet BE THERE OR BE SQUARE looking forward to seeing you. 
I think that is common knowledge about campaign medals I just can't seem to draw a comparison between The Italy Star and France & Germany Star and the FLQ thing I'm quite sure that the men who were at Salerno, Monte Casino have the same problem enough about the FLQ and a medal for it we did what we had to do however distasteful it was, Sorry Kenny boy Its just me I guess, keep the communication open and keep sowing the seeds of discontent LOL 
