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Commando Battle School, Wainwright - 1968-1970's.
« on: December 20, 2007, 03:19:20 PM »
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About ten years ago or so, I came across a book about elite fighting units, by a British author written in the mid- or late-80's that claimed that the Canadian Airborne Regiment originally ran a Commando School at Wainwright in the late 1960's and into the 1970's until about the time the SSF was formed. Shocked  I'd never heard of this before, and I've never really come across much since about this.  I can't remember the title of the book or the name of the author, but I found it at "The World's Largest Bookstore" in Toronto down by the Eaton Centre.  Now, when Googling to find anything on this, all I found was this obscure reference to a "Commando Battle School" in passing on the Biographical Sketch of one of the original membes of the CAR: 

http://iwvpa.net/willbondwha/zz_biograph.php

My question is, has anyone else ever heard about this, or is this just some sort of factual error or what? Huh
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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2008, 04:59:02 PM »
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The Cdn AB Regt conducted winter and summer Battle Schools at Wainwright.  These regimental deployments were major live firing exercises lasting about three to four weeks each.  All units participated, including the Infantry Commandos.  Individual Commandos, of which there were two at the time, also conducted their own Battle Schools.  These live fire exercises were advanced infantry training, but not the sort of thing that outsiders may have implied from the use of the word "commando".  The most demanding course conducted by the Cdn AB Regt was the Airborne Pathfinder Course.
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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2008, 05:14:56 PM »
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Ah, that would go some way to explaining things.  The Brit author mentioned something like 2-3 months' training followed completion of Basic Para in the Airborne Regiment.  When I read that I was like "What?"  10 Days of AIC was all I ever heard of.  So I had figured that that probably referred to the novice Jumper's first few months in the Regiment getting up to speed and meeting the Regiment's own standards.  Much obliged Ray, a 3 or 4 week Regimental or Commando Battle School helps clear things up a fair bit. Smiley     

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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2008, 06:16:29 PM »
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To Ray Allison, I am Hugh Conway, Recce Pl 2 CDO, 1968 = 1973. Who did you serve with during that time, I can't remember you. ??  Hugh Conway
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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2008, 04:12:32 AM »
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Never heard of Willbond, I was 'F' Coy 2Cdo 1968/72.
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2008, 03:51:09 PM »
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Never heard of Billy Willbound,I was in Sigs PL,2 CDO HQ,1969-1971.There was a Allison in the CDO but I can't remember if he was in Echo or Delta coy.Hi Hugh and Ernie,how's it going?

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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2008, 08:21:52 PM »
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To Ray Allison, I am Hugh Conway, Recce Pl 2 CDO, 1968 = 1973. Who did you serve with during that time, I can't remember you. ??  Hugh Conway
Hello Hugh,
I joined 2 Cdo in APS 73.  I was 2IC E Coy initially, then went as 2IC HQ Coy in 74 when we went to Cyprus, back to E Coy as OC, then back to HQ Coy as OC, then to RHQ as Regt Trg Offr.  I left the Regt in APS 77.
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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2008, 06:24:29 PM »
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The Original Question was about 1968=73.  Hugh Conway
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2008, 06:45:57 PM »
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The original query asks about the period from 1968 when the Airborne Regiment was stood up until the formation of the SSF, which was formed in 1977.  Major (at the time I remember him) Elliston answered the question perfectly.

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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2008, 07:08:00 PM »
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AIRBORNE REGIMENT. 1968 - 1973. I was a young NCO back from  3 years with the NZ Army, having spent 4 years prior, with 1 RCR in the early sixties in Ipperewash and Fort York. Arrived in Griesbach Barracks between Christmas and New Year (1969). I'd had my jump course in New Zealand. The Airborne Regiment was just starting, there was no regimental hat badge, just a whole bunch of KEEN SOLDIERS, wearing badges from "The RCR, PPCLI, R22rR, RHI(Black Watch). Cdn Guards, QORC. The organization was Regt HQ, 2 CDO, (D,E,F Coys), 1 Para Bty, 1 Para Fd Sqn, C Coy 1 CDO, and 1 FSSU, in Edmonton, and A , B Coy 1 CDO in BVal Cartier. After an interview with Major Mike "Cold Steel" Barr, I was posted to Recce Pl. Recce Pl was the best group of soldiers I have ever worked with in my carear. The training was very hard and those who didn't hack it were RTU'd, including an individual who had been posted in with a large family, put into a PMQ, couldn't make the physical standard, and was sent back, alone, to shape up. There were no "Super Courses" just hard training, we learned off each other, and leaned on each other. The best soldiering years were spent in late '60's early '70's. IF WE WERE GOOD??
IT'S BECAUSE WE WORKED HARD AND RESPECTED EACH OTHER>  Hugh Conway
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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2008, 10:39:03 AM »
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The airborne didn't cease to exist just because you re-mustered.
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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2008, 09:01:36 AM »
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The Original Question was about 1968=73.  Hugh Conway
To answer the specific question, from 1968 until 1970 I was on exchange with the British Army (Royal Regiment of Fusiliers) during which time I served on an emergency tour in Belfast, NI.  From 1970 until 1973 I was an instructor and standards officer at the Combat Arms School in Gagetown.
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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2008, 10:10:45 AM »
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Ray ; The real reason you were sent away as an exchange officer was so you could dry out and recover . after putting up with the crew you had in Pioneer platoon , of which I was one , made a recovery period manditory , if there was any hope of your regaining your sanity .

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« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2008, 08:32:09 AM »
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How would training in Wainwright in the earlier years of the CAR then have compared to training that came later, after the move to Petawawa then - changes in standards, or just different emphases?  There wasn't any change, in particular, to the Airborne Regiment's role after to the move to Petawawa, as far as I am aware, but there has been some commentary that there was a noticeable change after the move from Edmonton to Petawawa.  
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