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« on: November 05, 2007, 07:07:35 AM »
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Gee, what happened to the BMI test?

I would remind all serving Royal Canadians that it is your duty to The Regiment to keep oneself in shape... As for us retired porkers, well...  Wink do yer best...

1,000 people fail military fitness test: report

Updated Sun. Nov. 4 2007 8:46 PM ET

The Canadian Press

OTTAWA -- More than 1,000 military members flunked the first national physical fitness test the Canadian Forces have conducted in a decade, a newly released report shows.

The failures are a fraction of the 47,000 enlisted men and women who passed the basic four-part test in 2006-07 under orders from Gen. Rick Hillier, chief of the defence staff.

But the demographics of those unfit members point to potential problem areas, such as the navy where the flunk rate was significantly higher than that of the military as a whole.

The report, obtained by The Canadian Press under the Access to Information Act, shows 286 sailors failed to make the grade.

Most of those -- 159 men and women -- were stationed at Canada's Pacific naval base in Esquimalt, B.C., for a failure rate of 4.6 per cent, or more than twice the national rate for all services.

The East Coast base at Halifax, with 134 failures, recorded a flunk rate of 2.4 per cent by comparison, closer to the national rate of 2.2 per cent.

The detailed statistical report provides numbers only, without any analysis of the results.

The tests, conducted through the year that ended March 31, consist of a so-called shuttle run, pushups, sit-ups and a handgrip strength section.

Standards are based on age and gender, so a male under age 35 must do 19 pushups, for example, while a woman in the same age bracket must do nine. A male over 35 years of age must do 17 sit-ups, while his female counterpart must do 12.

The 30-minute fitness test, in place since 1990, is designed to predict whether serving members can carry out five basic military tasks, including digging a trench and hauling a sandbag.

A few professions in the military, including members of the JTF-2 special forces, are required to meet tougher fitness standards. And members who voluntarily demonstrate a higher level of fitness can be given an exemption from the following year's test.

Hillier, a trim running enthusiast, launched a campaign in December 2005 to build a strong fitness culture in the forces and to do baseline testing of every member. National testing had lapsed in the mid-1990s.

The new results suggest a relatively fit military, though almost 1,300 were excused from testing for medical reasons and another 15,000 remained untested for various reasons, including overseas postings.

Among the somewhat poorer performers in the new report were master warrant officers, sometimes called the backbone of the army. Fifty-three of the 1,408 who were tested flunked, for a failure rate of 3.8 per cent, the highest of all the non-reserve ranks.

None of the 80 officers in ranks higher than colonel flunked. Failure rates were somewhat higher among those over age 55, and women had a slightly higher failure rate than men. Members stuck pushing pencils at headquarters were also somewhat less fit.

Army members were the most fit of all the three services, followed by the air force.

"The failure rate is not a huge issue,'' said Marie Danais, the civilian who's in charge of physical fitness programs across the military. "It's not a big number.''

"I'm pretty sure Canadian Forces members are a lot fitter than the general population.''

If a member fails the fitness test, he or she has as many as four chances over 48 weeks to make the grade or face sanctions, including dismissal. But since 1998, only eight people have been released because they could not meet fitness standards, said spokesman Lieut. Desmond James.

"We're in the military -- we have to keep ourselves in shape.''

Danais said annual testing is only one element of fostering a fitness culture in the military.

"We want to focus on people going into the gym,'' she said in an interview, adding the Canadian Forces aim to reduce failure rates for next year's report.
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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2007, 10:53:05 AM »
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Well, thats not so great , but not so bad either, considering it was across the board... but show that some need to pick it up....ranrad
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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2007, 07:29:09 PM »
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While serving on the east coast I never failed the PT test infact I always received an exempt but did the test yearly with my troops. I did how ever witness many persons fail the test mostly women even though there fitness requirments are lower. I also witnessed young very out of shape sailors that did not care about the test. While serving over the 35 years I always met or exceded the standard but while at the east coast came in contact with many persons who do thier best to aviod the test , some for many years. The Cf must improve the level of fittness in all trades and those who can not meet the requirment (other than for med reasons) should be released. Full Stop
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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2007, 06:30:56 AM »
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I would like to see this broken down further. What would tell the story would be the numbers for field soldiers such as Infantry, Armored and other field troops as apposed to Intelligence, Pay Corp and other administration jobs being unfit.

Lumping the Administration and desk jobs in with the field soldiers, able Seaman and fighter/battle pilots is unfair to the complete Military and it seems to indicate that many of our field soldiers aren't fit.

Many jobs in the Military are not designed to require front line duties or even exposure, many of them not requiring the ability of doing 19 pushups, where the brain may be the only muscle needed.

So this report is unfair to both groups in that it seems to indicate Field soldiers are unfit and that desk jobs need to be as fit as an infantry soldier.

A breakdown would not only clear the air but would indicate which soldiers needed to be removed from their jobs until they can meet the standards. Infantry members of the fifty-three master warrant officers who didn't pass should be reassigned until fit and not given 48 weeks in which to endanger soldier's lives.

Whether we want to admit it or not we are at war and field soldiers need to be fit. Jobs that do not require battle fit readiness shouldn't be lumped in with the fighting soldiers. 

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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2007, 10:29:37 AM »
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Well, i have to agree with what you have said here Ken.. i wonder if the gov has the wherwithal to do it???   ranrad
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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2007, 11:59:09 AM »
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I see it all the time now, especially in the Air Force. We all have to be fit because of the universality of service principles but I keep hearing things from people about why should they have to do a PT test seeing as their job includes sitting on their A$$es all day twidling knobs or pushing computer keys, or at most a short walk to the busted plane in order to fix it.
The Navy is the worst, I agree. Some Navy folks never see the inside of a gym. The Air Force is doing a bit better. I will put this out there though.......If we got rid of all the people who were med excused or failed PT tests and didnt get back on the right track after the remedial PT, we would be worse off than we are now, especially the Air Force. I sat on the Wing merit board last year and I was very surprized by the number of PERs with a rating or "promote immediately" who had either failed, not tested or were med excused PT. At all ranks.
Not saying its right, but it is reality.


Oh, and I believe that the BMI test was done away with because BMI is an indicator of weight vs height, not fitness.......How many guys do we know that were in excellent physical shape but considered obese?
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2007, 12:07:55 PM »
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The only exemption I would accept is a medical as that would include operational restrictions anyways. I tell you one thing, as I was watching the remembrance days activities, I could not help but notice how many porkers were in the ranks of the serving ... of course, Ottawa is Ottawa, not like they are running a field unit there but, nevertheless...
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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2007, 12:57:26 PM »
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I just started doing medicals again with the reserves after getting out of the regs a little over one year ago. I was surprised the BMI was brought back on the medical.
I remember 'Rob' in Dukes's in the early 80's when the BMI was first used. Rob was 5 foot f**k all & built like a sh*t-brick house and could pack more than the average mule. His BMI had him at obese and was told by constantly med staff, peri staff, and regimental pers to lose weight to lower his BMI.
After a couple of months Rob was getting really pissed off and asked a few including the MO during a maintenance day if they could observe him. Rob then picked up the end of a jeep (before the iltis came on line). rob was never bothered about his BMI again.
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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2007, 10:18:26 AM »
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Hey, Gerry, exactly, that BMI was never a very good indicator of the main goal...FITNESS...but in fairness, those people who think its ok to not be fit because they have a sedentary job, that is not so... you must be ready for all sorts of scenarios, that will likely be outside your regular job... and you are much more alert if you are fit physically.. no matter what you do... and those real jeeps were not that light....heheheh  ... ranrad
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True Ron, but at least wer'e doing waist measurement with the BMI , so if it's noticed by higher on a medical that a soldior had an 'elevated' BMI then look at his waist measurement; B/P; lipids etc, then the dude is probably weight training with higher muscle mass v/s fat-ass.
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Great pionts by all and I agree with the process. how ever there are far too many who avoid the test and I feel that it should be done and if it is not then carreer action should take place.
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There you go, Gerry , BJ... and they now know that waist fat on men is very dangerous.. ie the inside fat as opposed to females who tend to carry their fat on the outside.. the inside fat affects internal organs... something to maybe encourage guys to keep that fat to a minimum...er Molsom muscle...and that seems to be a core in mens all round fitness as well...and i have to agree with BJ , one first thing is to make sure ALL take part in the tests...ranrad
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That's been a recurring problem for years and years, that lots of people for various reasons are not subjected to physical fitness tests.  That said, bringing back the BMI is just senseless, especially when the physical fitness standards being tested are hardly exacting.  The present test with 19 push-ups and 17(?) sit-ups is pretty poor, and doesn't compare to even the still fairly modest old test of 7 pull-ups, 25 push-yups, and 31 sit-ups.  Add to that the old mile-and-a-half run in 11 and a half minutes with FFO (never mind stuff like the 2x10), and it really makes you wonder why they even bother with the present tests.     
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Hey there BJ, when I was posted to the Base Chief's Office in Halifax 88-90 it was expected of me to set the standard of dress and enforce it in my day to day duties. I did it well, and I realized that I had to present a physically fit appearance to do so.  Being Base Chief's staff, I was able to sign for the key to the gym every morning at 06:00.  I went in and ran 3 miles around the upper track and then 30 minutes on the weights, this became a problem eith the BMI scale, because as the nutritionist told me, I was bulking up with muscle and it put me over the line.  She suggested that i give up the weights, as I did, well at least not so much anyway!  I used to ride trails every sat/sun with a young Navy buddy from Halifax to Rainbow Haven, I even joined a cycling club and rode with them.  But for some reason, even today I could never get below 190 and I am 5'8", my waist would go to about 36 and people always tell me how good I look but I can never see what they are talking about.  I still push myself, I do 5 mile runs and weights at home because I feel that one day I will be called to fight and I better be fit!  I'm 45 now but still feel 25 most days though it is getting a little harder on the joints.  Tim
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GANTLEMEN IM 52 AND CAN STILL RUN LIKE A DEER , YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT ,PERIOD.
I NEVER DID AGREE SOME OF THE MILITARY STANDARDS , OR SHOULD I SAY DOUBLE STANDARDS OF TESTING SOLDIERS FOR FITNESS. AGAIN YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT!!!!



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Hey Riv, how are ya old man?  havn't seen ya since the reunion in London what around 95?  We'll see you in Kingston August.   I agree you are what you eat, I'll pass up a steak if there is a can of beans next to it, and even better if there is some rice to mix in.  That's the sort of diet i like but it hasn't always been that way, i'm trying!  So you must eat alot of deer if you still run like one aye.  Talk soon Brother, Tim
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frankly mike, the BMI was useless if you had any muscle mass. I went from 1 RCR to CFB Summeside and was declared to be obese because my BMI was 28. I had to go to piggy parade and was found to have a body fat percentage of something like 11%...I then received a letter of variance from the obese health nurse saying my bmi could go to 30 without being humiliated again.

The new fit to fight test or whatever they are calling it is superior...
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I concur with the Fit to Fight test, And how it was incorporated into Dailly Garrison PT!   That kept me in pretty good shape while in Mortars for 3 years.
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I can atest to the fact that B.J. kept us in great shape while posted to Halifax.......most of the sailors didn't care much for the PT schedule did they B.J....LMAO
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Hawhawhaw... it likely got wprse once they cut out the rum ration..heheheheh...ranrad
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We wouldn't let the "fish heads" have rum rations Grin
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