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Mike Blais
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Oddly enough, IMO, it is the liberals policies the wackos fear the most.... and liberal policies that will eventually eradicate the stench of Radical Islam once and for all.
That is why the wackos fear a true, evolving democracy so much cause they know, just like the Taliban did when they resisted, that if the general population of their countries actually gets to experience what freedom is like in Canada or any other nation with a charter of rights, the wacko's support would be non-existent and those living in their own societies, as do we, would take care of the problem long before 911 part deux ever had the chance to occur.
Go figure.
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Of course they despise us, Ernie.
They despise everything about freedom, specially when it comes down to letting their woman have a vote and rights. Thats is why they rule with oppression, they and every other despotic piece of crap in the middle east and beyond.
Democracy is the greatest weapons we have at our disposal and, frankly, had Bush stayed the course in Astan and NATO would have stepped up to the bar and provided the troops necessary to ensure democracy prevails, we'd be winning this little endeavour instead of providing the taliban and AQ with another venue for recruitment.
As for the extremists, brother, lock and load. Like all extremists, they have committed to whatever f-up dogma they been brainwashed with and, due to activity in Iraq and Astan, nothing will change their mind but a 5.56 mm through the cerebral cortex!
It is what it is.
Hey, did you happen to see the Al Queada special on newsworld last night? Pretty good, very insightful, specially when it comes down to cause and effect. Of course, it all comes down to lack of troops and the wests, particularly America's, penchant for using excessive force which, as a consequence, provides the wackos with a never ending littany of collateral damage opportunities to use as propaganda recruitment tools.
So far, if you believe the intelligence estimates, they seem to be using it to their advantage and we have really not accomplished much since 911 but make AQ and wackos like the Taliban more relevant in the wacko world.
Clearly, the tactics we have demonstrated so far have not been effective in the battle to win the hearts and minds of the people and that, Ernie, is where the battle against wackoville shall be won or lost.
Not on the battlefield.
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Terry Hanna
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HEY GUYS CAN I ADD THIS TWO CENTS...READ THIS WEBSITE IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT ALL GOVTS AND CIVIL RIGHTS PEOPLE WHO DEFEND THIS GREAT SATAN AKA ISLAM might want to read to try to understand the mindset of these nutter's .........( http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes.Islam - fighting)....THIS ANTI ISLAMIC TERROR WAR IS HERE FOR A LONG DURATION, THEY ARE NOT OPEN TO APPEASEMENT,OR CONCESSIONS, THEY WANT WORLD DOMINATION period! AND NOTHING NOR NOBODY WILL STOP THEIR DETERMINATION...."GIVE THEM AN INCH AND THEY WILL TAKE A MILE, AND A MILE, AND A MILE...etc, etc,etc"....JUST LIKE THAT FREAKING ENERGIZER BUNNY.. WIN THEIR HEARTS AND MINDS YOU HAVE NOT GOT A PRAYER,ACCORDING TO THEIR KORAN ANYWAYS....BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT STOP UNTILL YOU AND I AND OUR CULTURES ARE ERADICATED FOR EVER. |
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They are not all 5.56mm solutions, Terry.
And every 5.56 mm solution that kills a moderate or is, as they say, inflicts collateral damage, only makes us weaker and perpetuates the cycle the wackos are feeding on.
What is required is balance.
An equal amount of aide to an equal amount of force.
Which is where, NATO failed and continues to fail.
We all agree the threat is huge, yet those in power continue to choke when it comes down to walking the walk.
There is no way in hell that we can fix this until NATO steps up to the plate. Canadians cannot bear the burden alone cause, realistically, 2500 hundred tropps cannot dictate peace to a nation the size of Astan, hell, realistically, I think has we all committed what we had promised, which equates to roughly a doubling of the boots on the ground, we would still have problems.
Not to the degree we have now, but problems never the less.
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So whats your plan, Ernie?
Kill em all because they are Muslim?
One point six billion of em?
Or get off our asses and walk the walk?
The Koran, BTW, only condones Jihad when a foreign army invades a Muslim land.
Since we, collectively, have screwed things up so badly, by not having enough boots on the ground, by not walking the walk, by not fulfilling the promises made when we deposed the the Taliban or Hussien, we are no longer seen as liberators but occupiers.
And thats is just what the wackos feed on, brother and, to great effect, use to recruit the next wave....
Time to get smart about this war.
Time to walk the walk.
The consequences leave no alternatives.
Reference boots on the ground, I disagree entirely.
IMO, Had sufficient troops been deployed, we would have trained the Astan army by now, eradicated the heroin crop (which directly sponsors the wackos) and established a state of order that would exist beyond the Khandahar Air Field. More importantly, the Astan pakistan border could have been defended by nato, not the afghan army, so the wackos would not find it so easy to pop over the border every spring to kill Canadians who, being in the thick of it, are vulnerable because their is nobody on the right flank but a half a billion wackos just looking for an excuse for screw us over.
Cabinet shuffle marks shift in Afghan approach
By CAMPBELL CLARK AND JANE TABER
From Wednesday's Globe and Mail
Prime Minister Stephen Harper fined-tuned his message on Canada's role in Afghanistan Tuesday to prepare for a contentious debate, shuffling the duo of ministers managing the issue in the midst of a combat mission.
In a major cabinet makeover, Mr. Harper dropped one member, added a junior minister and switched the posts of eight others, including many top-tier portfolios such as Defence and Foreign Affairs. And he created a new economic policy strongman at the Industry Department by sending trusted lieutenant Jim Prentice there.
Mr. Harper stressed that the revamp signalled continuity because the members of his cabinet remained largely unchanged. "We are not here to have major about-faces, U-turns, agendas that fall from the sky. We are here to continue our efforts and finish our work, to reinforce our objectives and add a longer-term perspective," he said.
But in addition to the size of the shuffle, which touched one-third of cabinet, there was a shift in the tone of the government's approach to Afghanistan, and a signal that the Conservatives will try to emphasize economic issues.
To begin with, Mr. Harper moved Gordon O'Connor, blamed for a brittle and contradictory message on the Afghan mission, out of Defence to the low-profile National Revenue post.
Nova Scotian Peter MacKay, younger and better known, moved from Foreign Affairs to take his place. That opened room for Quebecker Maxime Bernier to go from Industry to Foreign Affairs.
It's a role where a key task is communicating the government position on Afghanistan to a politically key province that has been cool to the combat role.
Mr. O'Connor, the first to leave Rideau Hall, whisked past reporters with his eyes on his car, while Mr. MacKay smiled and waved, and said,: "It's everyone's day."
Mr. Harper said that Afghanistan remains Canada's most important military and foreign-affairs commitment, and stressed that Canadian troops are there under a United Nations mandate to help impoverished people.
Gone was talk of defeating the Taliban. Mr. Harper stressed Canada's role in helping Afghans fight their own battles, and argued that Quebeckers will support it.
"They understand it's a dangerous situation. Obviously, the government wants to reduce the casualties. We have worked to increase the role of development [aid] in this mission for a year," Mr. Harper said. "We are working to train the Afghan forces and help them control their own security. I think that is the way to go."
Mr. Harper, who extended Canada's mission in the dangerous Kandahar region to 2009, has said he will not extend it again without opposition support. He faces a potentially rough battle if he puts it to a vote in the Commons next spring.
NDP Leader Jack Layton said Mr. MacKay's appointment would make little difference on policy. "Now we have Mr. MacKay, who has also defended the war in Afghanistan very strongly, so we're clearly not seeing any change in direction," he said.
Mr. Harper dropped only one minister, Revenue Minister Carol Skelton, who had said she will not seek re-election. He promoted junior minister Gerry Ritz to Agriculture to make him the Saskatchewan minister in her place. And he made Calgary backbench veteran Diane Ablonczy a junior minister for tourism.
Another minister considered a weak communicator, Ontarian Bev Oda, moved from Canadian Heritage to International Co-operation in a swap with Quebecker Josée Verner. B.C.'s Chuck Strahl replaced Mr. Prentice in Indian Affairs.
Mr. Harper repeatedly insisted that he was not reacting to political trends and passing events, but making long-term plans.
The Opposition Liberals called it a third try for a flailing government.
"It's the third cabinet of this so-called 'new government,' only they have to try to correct the mistakes of the two former cabinets," Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion said.
Mr. Prentice, who headed cabinet committees despite a relatively low-profile portfolio, was handed a key portion of the government's fall agenda — economic productivity —which it will probably outline in a Throne Speech.
Although the government didn't move Finance Minister Jim Flaherty, Mr. Prentice is expected to be a second economic policy power, with a major role in dealing with infrastructure, deregulation and foreign investment.
Mr. Harper met individually over several days with his cabinet ministers, handing them a point-form letter outlining what he expects them to achieve for the fall and beyond, one source said.
The source added that Mr. Harper is most popular when he sets out a new agenda.
"They [the government] feel it has succeeded and established in the minds of Canadians that they are a governing party … they have preserved their support from the election and want to build on that," the source said. "They are putting together an agenda to win them a majority."
With reports from Daniel Leblanc and Alan Freeman
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Yes, yes, Doctor Horowitz certainly plays to the American psyche.
Fear merchants always do.
Oddly enough, as I'm watching his demonstration and turning down the sound, I cannot help but think of about what you said about the war of attrician. I bet if you add up all the civilian victims of all the attacks he would remind us of, then added up all the collateral damage on their civilians who have nothing to do with terrorism, we would be waaaaaaay ahead in the equation, not behind.
There is you war of attrician, Ernie. They kill three thousand plus of ours, we kill thirty thousand plus of theirs. Or more, depending on what source your looking at.
BTW, the wackos have their own little network presentations as well.
Instead of neat of graphics and maps and stirring music, they stick to pictures of the aftermath of western, usually American actions. Unedited, of course, the stuff our masters won't let us see, specially down in the land of Mr Horowitz.
Now that I think of it, Mr H should have used a couple of their blurbs if he really wants to scare the hell out of Americans. Cause I don't care what religious faith you practice, after the burials are over, Jihad is just an excuse to take revenge.
The cycle of an eye for an eye.
Just as it has been happening over the world, brother, for generations. Ireland, half a dozen African nations, Sri lanka, Yugo, not all were Islamofacists, which just goes to prove their are wackos in every faith.
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T.O. terror accused told it's 'us vs. them'
Report examines 'radicalization' of Western Muslims
Stewart Bell
National Post
Thursday, August 16, 2007
A new report suggests terror suspect Steven Chand is alleged to have been radicalized partly by his search for identity, and in turn travelled to Scarborough high schools to recruit the younger members of the alleged Toronto plotters.
A U.S. intelligence report released yesterday identifies Canadian Qayyum Abdul Jamal as the "spiritual sanctioner" of a group accused of plotting terrorist attacks in Toronto and Ottawa.
The New York Police Department report says Mr. Jamal, the eldest of 18 terror suspects arrested by the RCMP around Toronto last summer, helped young men "progress to the next stage of radicalization."
He was particularly influential on suspected ringleaders Fahim Ahmad and Zakaria Amara, as well as Saad Khalid, whom he had met at the Al Rahman Islamic Centre in Mississauga, the report says.
"Abdul Jamal was known by the other congregants to have an 'us-versus-them' view of the world in which Muslims were being oppressed by the West. He had no formal religious role in the mosque but his radical views were tolerated by the leadership because he cleaned the mosque for free," the report says.
"Abdul Jamal also had a reputation for reaching out to young people, taking them camping, playing basketball, etc. The suspects soon began to be influenced by his views and adopted them as their own."
The report by the NYPD Intelligence Division is an attempt to understand why young Westerners are joining terrorist groups inspired by al-Qaeda. Canadian counterterrorism officials briefed the NYPD prior to the report's publication. The police force also has an officer posted in Toronto.
The report examines recent cases of "homegrown" terrorism in Britain, Madrid, Germany, Amsterdam, Australia, the United States and Toronto. In each case, it says, the suspects were influenced by spiritual figures who preach an "us-versus-them/war on Islam" mentality that provides a moral justification for violence. They are vital to terrorist groups because they frame violence as a religious duty.
"The sanctioner is often a self-taught Islamic scholar and will spend countless hours providing a cut-and-paste version of Islam which radicalizes his followers. In many cases, the sanctioner is not involved in any operational planning but is vital in creating the jihadi mindset," it says.
In all the cases looked at by the NYPD, the suspects went through a remarkably similar process of radicalization that was triggered not by oppression or suffering but by a search for identity that went astray and led them to extremist Islam.
The Toronto suspects were no different, it says.
"Similar to the many of those involved in the other plots and attacks, the Toronto plotters also struggled with their identity as evidenced by this excerpt from a poem that was posted on the Internet by Zakaria Amara in 2001: 'Please someone find me, I want to find the light, but no one is there to guide me, open the door someone give me it's [sic] key.' "
The report calls this the "self-identification" phase of radicalization, in which suspects begin converting to fundamentalist beliefs.
They may become alienated from their former life, seek like-minded believers, grow a beard, wear traditional Muslim dress and give up drinking.
The next stage is indoctrination. Suspects will often withdraw from the mosque and become more politicized, blaming global events on a perceived Western war against Muslims, the police report says.
The Toronto group was indoctrinated through spiritual mentors and on the Internet, where they watched jihadist videos and communicated with like-minded radicals in places such as Bosnia and the United Kingdom, it says.
"The Mississauga group went as far as wearing combat fatigues to the mosque -- a fact that was noted as unusual by the other congregants, but not reported to authorities," says the report.
"In Scarborough, convert Steven Vikash Chand and another suspect, Mohamed Durrani took their new-found fervor to recruit more young people. Both spent time at the campus of a local high school where they were able to convince the youngest members of the group to join in."
The final stage of radicalization, called jihadization, occurs when suspects commit to violence. They may undergo training, either at home or abroad.
The RCMP arrested 12 adults and five juveniles last June 2, and an 18th man was arrested in August. Charges have been stayed against three of the youths.
The arrests followed a two-year investigation started by the Canadian Security Intelligence Service. Police have accused the men of belonging to a terrorist group that was plotting to detonate truck bombs in downtown Toronto and to storm Parliament, take MPs hostage and behead the prime minister on television unless Canada withdrew its troops from Afghanistan and released all Muslim prisoners.
They have been accused under anti-terror legislation of contributing to the activity of a terrorist group, and several other related charges.
A preliminary hearing is taking place in Brampton, Ont., but the court has placed a ban on reporting the proceedings. All have pleaded not guilty.
The report said U.S. Muslims were not as vulnerable to radicalization as those in other countries but the Council on American Islamic Relations lobby group complained the report had "cast a pall of suspicion over the entire American Muslim community."
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