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Hi Tony; the only thing i know about it is that they were started just simply as a way of controlling the records on soldiers, once they actually got to keeping records other than "George" ,or Mike...and a surname....not too long ago there was a write up on it inone of the history mags,and i think i kept it ,so will look for, i do recall it had the names of those who had the Regimental no 1....will try to find the article for you, ranrad
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I don't know when the system of regimental numbers started but it seems they have been around for as long as there have been soldiers whose records needed to be kept. I do know that some time after the Second World War a system was established making all regimental numbers consist of digits and a letter to designate the province and/or Personnel Depot through which new entrants were processed into the army. The letter designator didn't seem to make much sense -- M for Alberta, L for Saskatechewan, for example -- but seemed to start in the east and then head west in alphabetical order. Officers' numbers had a Z included. The number I was given when I joined the Saskatoon militia regiment in 1957 was L455273 and when I enrolled in the regular force officer candidate program at the Regina PD in 1961 I was assigned ZL11225 as a regimental number. The numbers seem to have been issued sequentially nation-wide, irrespective of region: A guy from Edmonton on my OCP course was assigned ZM11226, one digit after my regimental number, even though he had enrolled 700 kilometres to the west.
The substitution of Social Insurance Numbers for regimental numbers occurred on 1 January 1966, while we (2 Cdn Gds) were in Cyprus and when members of the armed forces were added to the rolls of the then-new Canada Pension Plan, for which they had previously been inelligible, and into which all members would henceforth have to pay in exchange for receiving CPP at age 65. Once that decision had been taken, it made no sense for us to be saddled with two record-keeping numbers and from that day forward we were told to commit our SINs to memory and forget our alphanumeric regimental numbers. Obviously, I haven't.
I hope that has been of some help.
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Hi Tony; I found the followiing at the Library and Archives Canada. It may prove of interest...I'll look around some more, see what I can find:
Regimental Numbers
From 1914 until 1917, the Canadian Expeditionary Force was composed of men who had volunteered to fight. Able-bodied men were actively encouraged to enlist by Recruiting Officers who worked throughout the country. In larger urban areas, Recruiting Officers often worked from stationary recruiting centres, while in rural areas they travelled to many towns, counties or, in the west, large sections of provinces. Individual Recruiting Officers were told to recruit a specific number of men for a specific unit.
Before setting out to recruit their men, Recruiting Officers were assigned a block of regimental numbers. They assigned one regimental number to each man that enlisted. The Regimental Numbers list of the Canadian Expeditionary Force matches the military unit assigned to each block of regimental numbers. Therefore, the Regimental Number list can be used to identify the unit in which a man initially served.
Because regimental numbers were assigned sequentially, it is possible to use the Soldiers of the First World War database to search the numbers immediately before and after the regimental number of the person you are looking for. These numbers would have been assigned to the men who stood in front and behind of your ancestor in line at the Recruiting Depot. Given that men often enlisted in groups of friends, co-workers or family members, knowing who enlisted at the same time as your ancestor may reveal interesting aspects of his war service. This will not apply to men who were conscripted into the military in 1917. After that date regimental numbers were given to men in the order in which they were called up for service.
Many men served under more than one regimental number. Therefore, you may have to look through this list of regimental numbers to find the appropriates section.
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Some additional iinfo, based off a US site:
A dog tag is the informal name for the identification tags worn by military personnel, because of their resemblance to actual dog tags. Various formats exist around the world but in the US Army dog tags record the surname, given name, social security/service number, blood type and religion - stamped on a small piece of metal that is worn on a metal chain around the neck. During World War II, certain medical information such as the date of the soldier's last tetanus shot was also included on the tag. The tag is primarily used for the identification of dead and wounded. In the event the member has a medical condition that requires special attention, an additional red tag with the pertinent information is issued and worn with the dog tags.
UK Forces have the "Big 6" embossed on a circular tag, the Big 6 being:
Surname
Initials
Service Number
Date of Birth
Blood Group
Religion
Wearing of the tag is required at all times by soldiers in the field. It may contain two copies of the information and be designed to break easily into two pieces. This allows half the tag to be collected for notification while the other half remains with the body when battle conditions do not allow the casualty to be immediately recovered. Alternately, two identical tags are issued. One is worn on a long chain around the neck; the second on a much smaller chain attached to the first chain. In the event the wearer is killed the second tag is collected and the first remains with the body.
Dog tags in history
Dog tags were worn at least as far back as ancient Sparta.
During the American Civil War of 1861-1865, some soldiers pinned paper notes with their name and home address to the backs of their coats. Other soldiers stencilled identification on their knapsacks or scratched it in the soft lead backing of the Army belt buckle.
Manufacturers of identification badges recognized a market and began advertising in periodicals. Their pins were usually shaped to suggest a branch of service and engraved with the soldier's name and unit. Machine-stamped tags were also made of brass or lead with a hole and usually had (on one side) an eagle or shield and such phrases as "War for the Union" or "Liberty, Union, and Equality." The other side had the soldier's name and unit and sometimes a list of battles in which he had participated.
A New Yorker named John Kennedy wrote to the U.S. Army in 1862, offering to furnish discs for all officers and men in the Federal Army, enclosing a design for the disc. The National Archives now has the letter along with the reply, a summary refusal without explanation.
In the Spanish-American War, soldiers purchased crude stamped identification tags; sometimes with misleading information.
The Prussian Army issued identification tags for its troops at the beginning of the Franco-Prussian War in 1870.
The U.S. Army first authorized identification tags in War Department General Order No. 204, dated December 20, 1906, which essentially prescribes the Kennedy identification tag:
"An aluminum identification tag, the size of a silver half dollar and of suitable thickness, stamped with the name, rank, company, regiment, or corps of the wearer, will be worn by each officer and enlisted man of the Army whenever the field kit is worn, the tag to be suspended from the neck, underneath the clothing, by a cord or thong passed through a small hole in the tab. It is prescribed as a part of the uniform and when not worn as directed herein will be habitually kept in the possession of the owner. The tag will be issued by the Quartermaster's Department gratuitously to enlisted men and at cost price to officers..."
The Army changed regulations on July 6, 1916, so that all men were issued two tags: one to stay with the body and the other to go to the person in charge of the burial for record-keeping purposes. In 1918, the Army adopted and allotted the serial number system, and name and serial numbers were ordered stamped on the identification tags of all enlisted men. (Serial number 1 was assigned to enlisted man Arthur B. Crean of Chicago in the course of his fifth enlistment period.) In 1969 the Army converted to the Social Security number for personnel identification. Some nations have instead of two tags a single tag with a half that can be easily broken off for the purpose of record-keeping.
There is a recurring myth about the notch situated in one end of the dog tags issued to United States Army personnel during World War II. It was rumored that the notch's purpose was so that if a soldier found one of his comrades on the battlefield, he could take one tag to the commanding officer and kick the other between the teeth of the soldier to ensure that the tag would remain with the body and be identified. According to Snopes, the notch is there simply to hold the tag in place on the embossing machine.
However, the fact is that the notch was there to prevent errors in the use of the Addressograph Model 70 Imprinter. This handheld device, resembling a pistol, was issued to medics during the early part of World War II as a means of rapidly marking identification data on paperwork. The medic would insert a wounded man's dog tag into the Model 70, insert the paper, then squeeze the handle, thus copying everything from the tag onto the paper. The imprinter was designed to only function when the notch on the tag was in the right position, thus permitting the characters to stamp into the paper sheet.
The use of the Model 70 was brief, though. Captured German soldiers, when asked why they had been shooting at medics (who were protected by the Laws of Land Warfare), explained that, from a distance, the imprinters looked like pistols. Armed medics are not protected by the law. Once the word got around, medics all through the European Theater of Operations dumped their imprinters in ditches. Without the proof of the true reason for the notch, soldiers invented rumors and legends to explain the mystery. Model 70 imprinters are now sought after by collectors and military re-enactors.
Following WWII, the US Navy Department adopted the dog tags used by the US Army and Air Force, so a single shape and size became the American standard.
In the 1950s, at the height of fears about possible nuclear war, all New York City public school pupils were issued dog tags.
It is claimed that in more modern battles, like the Vietnam War, American soldiers were required to place rubber silencers on their dog tags so the enemy would not hear the metallic clanking. This is not true, one tag was to be worn around the neck, and the other tag on the lace of the left boot. While possibly not true for Vietnam, rubber silencers are available from Army/Navy Surplus stores, as well as other similar stores.
Dog tags are traditionally part of the makeshift battlefield memorials soldiers and Marines create to their fallen comrades. The casualty's rifle with bayonet affixed is stood vertically atop the empty boots, with the helmet over the stock of the rifle. The dog tags are then hung from the handle or trigger guard of the rifle.
Recent developments
Recently, the army stopped calling the tags "Dog tags" and adopted the more civilized "I.D tags". It was rumored that, in the 1990s, some enlisted trainees complained that the term "dog tag" was offensive, but this has not been confirmed.
Also, dog tags have recently found their way into youth fashion by way of military chic. Originally worn as a part of a military uniform by youths wishing to present a tough or militaristic image, dog tags have since seeped out into wider fashion circles. They may be inscribed with a person's details, their beliefs or tastes, a favorite quote, or may bear the name or logo of a band or performer. Some people also prefer to have the information on their tags transferred to a smaller, sometimes golden or silver tag by a jeweller, as the original tag can be considered too large and bulky by some.
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