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Greg Fonger
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Hi all , nice board. Figure I would do some investigating into what ever happened to "the buds" in the Royals. Sorta like searching for lost Girlfriends. 
Anyway I joined in 1981 and did my Infantry training (tq3) in Gagetown with Gulf Company. Was the first time they had done this in awhile other than at Pet. Once we completed I stayed in Gagetown for about a year and half and than went to Germany with the 3rd. Stayed in Germany until we all repatted back to Winnipeg as the PPCLI took our spot in Baden. Once in Wiinnipeg I got married to a girl name Cheryll from my home town of St.Thomas Ontario and than I remustered to Air Traffic controler. We will leave that one for now. No ribbing! A bunch of guys from Germany did attend my wedding in St.Thomas. Kelly, Smoke (Winston), Dean, St.Louis, Christensen. sorry as names are forgotten All great buds for sure.
Best times of my life were spent training or partying with the RCR's. Great Memories and times. In total I stayed in the Military 14 years.
Drop a line or a note to say hi.
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welcome back into the fold Greg
Yea the times in Germany and the Grant are too numerous and sometimes painful to remember.
I can't remeber how many times I woke up in one cornfield or another in HUGIE.
Hope all is well with you and the family.
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Greg Fonger, & Andy Mcleod those are names i haven't heard in a long time. How are you guys ? What are you up to?
It's Chet Malone, was in Germany 1980 - 84 i was in O Coy 9 Pl, then went to Q Coy, Bn Tpt as a 5 ton Pod driver, then repatted back to Winnipeg in 84. I remember Christinsen and Smoke.
I used to live a few houses up from Tiff's in Hugie, so i didn't have very far to stagger or crawl.
I retired in 01 in London.
Nice to hear from you guys.
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Hey Greg:
I dont know if you remember me, but I can remember you. The boys you mentioned were all part of our O Company, well most of them anyway, I was with 8 pl and then moved over to ADP. Russo was my last name, served with you guys in Germany from 80 till 84 and then in the peg. Anyway hope all is well with you and if you remember RJ (Keizer) and Dean Turner (Deno) we are all going to be up in Blue Mountain on the 19th of Jan for a ski week. If you are into it it would be great to hook up. As for some of the troops like Dean Salick and Smokey, St Louis, Christiensen I have heard form time and again. Rick Stuckless is living in Trenton, Jerry Oberwarth WO in Belleville, Wayne Noseworthy back in NewFoundland I think. Take care and hope to see you on the board again. Cheers
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Ran into Greg about two months ago while passing the "flying J" outside of London Ont. Still looks the same as when we left London for Cornwallis over 25 years ago. Well maybe a little grey in his hair!!! LOL. Greg says he is doing well and in St. Thomas I believe.
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Rob Menard
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HI Y'all
Figure this is a good a place as any to say hello. Menard here. You may remember my mouth and smartassness. Joined early in '82 and did the Battle School in Pet. Will never forget MCpl Parks and the teeth marks on his cheek. I was in Mortars in Germany went there from Gagetown in late '82. Was among the last group to muster back to Winnipeg. I remember Dean Salick well we were roomies for a while. In Germany he taught me how to dress better than the farm hick I was. I remember Dave Kealy (or was it Keary?), Paul Hirschman, Paul Campitellii, Bryan Sylvester, (Funny how you remember the people who kick your ass!) the Sanderson's, Big MacDonald, Tony the martial Artist who used to teach me (Can't remember his last name...Anyone remember?), McMenemy, Scott Outram, Colbert, Steve Game, so many more I can't. I was on the rifle team under WO Hutchinson and for bragging purposes, was top shot in all the combat arms in the run down in '85.
I had such a great time in Germany. I got there three days after the V-40 hand grenade accident in which 5 lost their lives. At the time I went there it was the oldest battalion with the average age of 28. 2 RCR was like 20. I was a young looking guy 18 year old and it was a challenge to fit in, at first. I remember about two weeks into being there I was invited to join Keary, Sanderson, Hirschman and a couple of other Cpls. They prodded me and checked me out making sure I was not CIS and the Keary ordered me to get him a cup of tea when I got up to get a coffee. I accepted his order and when I returned with his 'cup of tea' Sanderson berated me for getting it for him and told me he had been starting to respect me but had lost it. I said I have no problem getting him a cup of tea too if he wanted. Keary started laughing and told Sanderson to hold off until he saw the 'cup of tea' I had brought. He turned it upside down and nothing came out. I had taken a handful of tea bags and stuffed them into his cup. Told him I would be happy to get him a 'cup of tea' anytime...
I remember the first day in battalion on duty, they tried to play a prank and sent me to find an air pump for the APC. I wasn't an idiot then and went to headquarters and hung out all morning with Snache. (Remember him? He was writing a book as I recall.) In the mess hall at lunch the MCpl who had tried to prank me was furious. I told him I had been looking all morning and would continue doing so well into the afternoon if necessary. He saw what I was up to and folded telling me to be back in the platoon room after lunch and to forget looking for it. The look on his face when I called out "So YOU found it did you?" I will remember always. It was priceless.
I remember all the pranks we would pull and how a few got me into trouble. Can't remember his name, but he was very fastidious and told me that he refused to shower in one particular shower because he had caught a guy pissing in it and the idea of showering where someone had pissed was not acceptable to him. I went back to him the next day and falsely informed him I had gone and pissed in every single shower in the building. Next day he gets caught showering in another building and tells that Officer I had pissed in every single shower on purpose. I got called in and had to explain there was a big difference between actually doing something like that and merely yanking a chain by telling someone you had.
I thought I would hate leaving Germany and going to Winnipeg, but after spending the weekend at the Grant, I thought this might not be too bad...
After leaving in '86 I attended college for two years, got a BS job in a factory, lasted four weeks and started traveling. One of my most notable of accomplishments I turned my big mouth and lighting fast wit into a successful(ish) stand-up comedy career and did that for ten years. Traveling around, telling jokes in a bar, making fun of the boss. It was just like the army. Since then I have studied the law and present seminars teaching people how to not be sheep. After all, we were willing to put our lives on the line so the country could be a nation of deceived sheeple. I still find opportunities to battle, but now usually in courtrooms, where I often kick ass.
Good to think of some of those names again. Be nice to hear from some of theme too. Saw Outram in Toronto back in '92 or so...
Be Well all and say hi if my name rings a bell.
Menard
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Geez, sounds ggod for you, maybe now you can help some of your old buds out with a t least tidbits of legeal mumble jumble as most vets are really being screwed by our own Gov.. how about it?? ranrad
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Rob; your name sounds familiar! I was on the rifle team as well; I used to hang out with Bullet (Bob Saunders), Pete Melto…and a few others <smiles>. Do you remember when we started the rife team, and Les Newcomb use to give us rifle PT, and make us hold the C1’s out in front and arms lengths.
Unfortunately, I never made the shoot. Just prior to leaving Winnipeg, my roommate came down with chickenpox. Not a big deal, as I had them as a child… Well, the day of the shoot in Wainwright, I woke up and noticed a spot on my face; by the time, I was showered and dressed, and heading out the front of the shacks, Hutchinson said I should have a peek in the mirror, then head over and see the doc. I spent the next 2-weeks in the Wainwright hospital; got out just in time for Waincon 85.
Anyway, glad you’re doing well, and welcome to the board!
Cheers,
Dave
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HI Y'all
I would consider it my duty to help any RCR deal with the bureaurats who are presently absconding with our freedoms by way of deception. Visit my website at www.thinkfree.ca and begin your education. You will find I have presented it in an easily understandable fashion. Also google "Bursting Bubbles of Government Deception" to watch a seminar I presented a few years back. Tomorrow in Victoria I am presenting my other seminar "The Magnificent Deception". I was actually being modest when I said I know the law. I am one of the only officially recognized Freeman-on-the-Land in the Commonwealth. What you call 'laws' have nothing to do with me. Income4 Tax Act? Not mine. Controlled Drugs and Substances Act? Nothing to do with me. The fact is, I FIRED the government and now exist completely free of statutory restraints, obligations and controls. I am well known in New Zealand, Australia and I am presently being courted to go down there and present some seminars. Last week in New Zealand a man tried one of my concepts and the judge shut down the court and ran from the room. All because of the right question. "Is that an ORDER?" (Orders create BILLS and he who gives the order is liable for the bill created and in the absence of any lawful contract, that bill can be as large as you want.)
There is not a MP or MLA in Canada that does not know my name and what I teach. Here is my newest letter I am sending out in my advocacy action. IT's long but a good read and will explain much.
April 2, 2007
NOTICE
To: Allan Tocher
CC: TWIMC
Hello and good day! I am Robert-Arthur: Menard a Freeman-on-the-Land in this common law jurisdiction. We met a few days ago when I was acting lawfully for my friend Ross. You invited me into the offices where we had a little discussion. At that time you informed me that you had looked at my account and found that I had not filed in many years. I informed you at that time that I did not have an account with you and that I did not have a Social Insurance Number. You then told me that I did have a number thus an account with you and you stated that you had looked in a file. However, I had never given you a date of birth nor did I associate myself with any number nor did I authorize you or anyone else to act on my behalf. So how do you know you were looking in the right file? I know for a fact that you weren’t looking in the right file as whoever’s file you were looking at is someone who consents to being represented and governed and has an account with you and has a Social Insurance Number. I have no account with you nor do I have a SIN. I am not a SINner.
You also informed me that it was possible to file income tax returns without a SIN. However since the SIN is also the account number and I don’t have an account with you, why would I file?
Additionally, the collection of taxes is a function of government and I have chosen to revoke consent to be represented and thus exist free of government. I know that as a government agent you do not like to think that people can do such a thing. I believe this is the case because those who benefit from any societal mechanism rarely wish to understand that mechanism, especially if it appears to grant them power, control or authority over their fellow man and actually understanding that mechanism would remove, diminish or erode that apparent power, control or authority.
During the meeting, you seemed to threaten me with legal action and you spoke of how the courts have previously ruled against others. You said some of them were still in jail. For the record when you said that you had an arrogant smirk and spittle on your chin. I point out I am not others, I have revoked consent and I do not have a government. Furthermore I would be willing to guess that not a single one of the people whom you referred to are in possession of a document like the one I have. It is signed by a Queens Counsel who works for the Department of Justice and in it she clearly acknowledges me as a Freeman-on-the-Land who exists outside of the legislated framework and over whom they claim no statutory authority. Since a lawyer with the DOJ recognizes me as a Freeman-on-the-Land and not subject to the ITA why do you not wish to do so as well?
I believe it is because you are concerned not with truth, justice or law, but with your own personal power and place at the trough. This is made very apparent in the recording of our conversation when you rejected outright without first considering a lawful and just position. You rejected immediately without looking at the law or the logic or the reasoning behind the position and you did so for no other reason than because if true you lose power to demand, order and intimidate.
It was not wise to threaten me. To be a bully and to threaten me is stupid. To be a bully I can easily outrun and threaten me is next to suicide. You seem to think that either you directly or the people who hired you have some lawful right to govern me without my consent. Are you operating on the belief that you are morally or physically superior to me and therefore you may govern me without the benefit of consent? Were you appointed by God? Or was the party that hired you as an agent claim to be appointed by God? You also mentioned that the courts have sided against previous ‘natural persons’ although I never identified myself as one. All cases are different and I draw your attention to the case of R v. Lutes. In that case the court found that because there was no joinder created by Lutes between him and a SIN and established by the prosecution that the accused owed CRA nothing. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Squat. Yes, Allan, in this case the court ruled that if someone did not have a SIN, they did not have an account with CRA and if they had no account with CRA they did not have any obligation to file. It all boils down to the SIN and how it is evidence of an association of an employee/employer type between the federal government and the individual. Your ability to demand payment or performance is limited to those who are federal government employees by virtue of their SIN.
You also asserted that it was not allowed to abandon a Social Insurance Number yet you were completely incapable of telling me where it says that a human being in Canada may not choose to abandon a SIN nor could you establish that those words, if they did exist, had anything to do with me. According to Human Resources, the people responsible for issuing a SIN, they told me that it is an employee identification number and they agreed there was no legal difference between ‘working legally in CANADA’ and working ‘legally for CANADA.” Since when is it lawful for any entity to demand I work for them without contract or agreement? I once was a government employee and when I was I had a government employee identification number or SIN. I am no longer a government employee and therefore no longer have a number.
I have taken the liberty of posting a recording of our conversation on line at my website along with a PDF copy of this letter. In order to allow others to do their own due diligence, I am also posting your phone number so people can call you directly and hear for themselves how you are incapable of showing where it says we have to have a SIN nor can you show where there is an obligation to file if we do not have one. Hopefully you will when speaking to them use your analogy that someone abandoning a SIN is the same as dropping a brick on your head. That complete and utter lack of reason and logic is quite funny and demonstrates the mindset of the average government employee. You don’t want anyone overturning the trough do you? You simply can’t imagine anyone not existing under your thumb and accepting your ‘services’. Incidentally if any gigolo tried providing sexual services to a woman the way the CRA and their agents provide services to the people of Canada, they would face charges of rape. Can you tell me how we go about telling you we do not want your services or are you like a rapist who thinks that his victims received services? The greatest danger facing Canadians is in fact people like you who as government agents are so full of their own arrogance and ignorance that they feel they can make demands and extract energy without recognizing the need for consent.
You are not a lawyer and therefore your words were merely your untrained opinion and not a lawful legal determination and thus created no obligation, agreement or contract. I do not contract with those who are deceivers and bullies. You I feel are both. I am in possession of correspondence signed by a lawyer and Queen’s Counsel employed by the Federal Ministry of Justice. In it they acknowledge my status as a Freeman-on-the-Land and that I exist free of all statutory obligations such as those found in the Income Tax Act. But as I said before, you and the people who work for CRA don’t like thinking people can say no to you do you? Incidentally, the fact that every agent I saw in your office was morbidly obese while all your so called clients were thin and gaunt was not lost on me. The parasites grow fatter than the host and do not care about its health.
I know my business better than you or your principal.
In order to confirm and support my beliefs, I made some phone calls to HRC. That’s Human Resources Canada. This led me to wonder what difference HRC has with a Human Resource Department with a corporation and I have come to the conclusion there is no difference as each deal with their employees. I called HRC and spoke with a nice lady. I told her I needed a Federal Employee Identification Number and was informed by her that a Social Insurance Number is the same as the federal Employee Identification Number as they refer to a SIN as an Employee Identification number.
I then called CRA and asked a lady to see if she could open a file with only a name and no date of birth provided or Social Insurance Number and was informed by her she could not check records properly with only that information. I told her I did not have a SIN and she informed me that if I did not have a SIN I did not have an account with them and I would have to apply for a SIN with HRC. So I called them back.
I asked HRC why I should have a SIN and was told by the lady on the phone that I needed one to work legally in Canada. I asked if there was any difference between working legally in and working legally for Canada. She did not know that there was. She confirmed that in order to pay into the Canada Pension Plan one needed a SIN and she acknowledged that a SIN is referred to as an Employee Identification Number by them and she further agreed that her organization is called Human Resources Canada and further that all other HR departments in the private sector deal with employees. She agreed with me that the evidence clearly indicates that having a SIN means that one is an employee of the federal government.
II then asked her where it said that we could not abandon our SIN and she could not show me where it said we could not do such a thing and she then agreed that if the number was in fact indicative of an employee/employer relationship we have to have the right to abandon, or else we are merely slaves to our employers. She agreed that an employee has a right to quit and no longer associate with an employer, regardless of who they may be, and that if they did not wish to be a government agent or employee it would be unlawful to force them. She seemed rather open to being persuaded by logic and reason.
You stated in our conversation that “we exist in a statutory framework”. I remind you that I have never given you the right to speak on my behalf and when you use the word ‘we’ you must be speaking about yourself and other government agents. I agree YOU people do exist and operate within a statutory framework. As a Freeman-on-the-Land I do not exist within your statutory framework and therefore you have no right or basis to make any demands upon me. It’s really very simple; you have chosen to exist and operate as a government employee and I have chosen to not. You are bound by the rules that are applicable to government agents and I am not. You made your choice and I made mine. You don’t like my choice however because it means you have no authority over me and the ITA is not applicable to me.
Over the next few months, thousands of people will be abandoning their Social Insurance Numbers and closing out their accounts with you. Many may choose to become Freesouls-on-the-Land and fire their representatives and exist completely free of all government. Many will do so due to the unending arrogance and and smarminess of those who claim to be providing us with services. We can and will say no to your services and then as a service provider you will go hungry.
Although there is nothing I can do to stop you from holding Ross’s money, I can lawfully engage in a course of action in the hopes of hastening your performance of duties. Towards that ends, I will distributing thousands of newsletters of the type you have already seen, as well as engaging in a Nationwide education campaign to see how many people I can teach about the benefits of not working in or for the federal government. In your case the concept of winning the battle but losing the war comes to mind. What will it cost the CRA when 18,000 people abandon their SIN’s and escape the obligations found in the ITA not only in terms of money but in terms of ability to instill fear? I think when that happens you will know that it is only a matter of time until 100X more do the exact same thing and then CRA and people like you are finished.
Well not exactly finished, but you will be limited to governing not the populace of a country, but only those who have secured employment as a government employee. And this is how it should have been all along.
Sincerely and without malice aforethought, ill will, vexation or frivolity,
Robert-Arthur: Menard
Freesoul-on-the-Land
All Rights Reserved, Exercised at Will and Fully Defended by The Grace of God.
Feel free to check out the challenge found on www.thinkfree.ca
Namaste!
I also have packages available and will happily make those available at my cost for any RCR.
Pete Melto... thats a memory! He was a Sniper eh? He was cool. Had a wicked sense of humor I recall. Newcombe passed away I understand. I remember fighting him in the Grant. Got a few in but he was BIG. YOu not making it because of pox rings a bell too...
Be well all and get ready for the revolution!
Freeman Menard
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Hmmm, thius sounds earth shattering, but with a REAL breath of CLEAN air.. will have to read on on your site.. thanks for the info and in put..ranrad
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Menard,
I on the other hand work hard, and grudgingly pay my share, as we all do, exept you. There are very few of us 30 million+ who joyfully handover our hard earned dollars to taxes. But in paying our taxes, we keep this great, democratic and free country with all its systems afloat. Sure, no system or organization is perfect, and for sure there is waste in any system that isn't perfect. So if you don't contribute, I assume you refuse the free health care, to menton just one thought that comes to mind.
If a person can live in Canada and yet not share in any of the financial burden, be free of any financial obligations and all other forms of contribution to our government - that in itself is a testament as to how truly great this nation's degree of tolerance and democracy truly is.
Here's a thought. Take a micro example. If a person lived in a house with others, but contibuted nothing, and yet still wanted all the rights and priveledges of the household, perhaps that person should move out, find their own place, and fend for themself.
I'll pass on your website, thanks anyway.
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Greg my name is charlie Lutz I remember you .Good to hear Your well after all these years.I think you probably saw me staggering around baden.I hung out with dave livingstone,scott bruce ,gene russo .rick kieser,remember Garth Johnson And Tom Silver
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