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The Kings' (Tudor crown) Badges 1901-1919
« on: August 19, 2005, 10:28:29 AM »
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I have been asked to confirm for an interested researcher, and also to satisfy my own building curiosity, what Regimental badge(s) were actually being worn during the First World War. From my own research into The Regiment’s badges, it is known that the officially authorized badges from 1902 to 1919 were those of King Edward VII (1902-1911) and King George V (1911-1919). We do know that The Regiment spent much of King Edward VII’s reign working to restore the VRI ciphered badges to service, and that this was actually accomplished during King George V’s reign in 1919.

Available photos in the Museum do show officers in studio photos wearing the Guelphic-crown VRI badges in 1910 and 1912. A group photo from 1906 shows most officers in dark single-colour badges, which, to the best of my knowledge, can be found in the old VRI pattern but not among the Kings’ badges.

A few photos of soldiers in the trenches of the First World War definitely show them wearing a two-piece badge, but the pictures are not clear enough to determine the royal cipher.

I was wondering if anyone, in their personal collection of regimental artifacts, might have something to add. In particular, I am interested in seeing or hearing about studio photos verifiably of the First World War years. Photos of both officers and troops interest me, as that will determine, firstly, who was wearing the Kings’ crown badges, and also, whether the officers and troops overseas were wearing different badge patterns during the War.

A note here or e-mailed to me, with or without a scan of the photo would be most welcome.

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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2005, 02:40:19 PM »
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Just curious -

You wrote; "A few photos of soldiers in the trenches of the First World War definitely show them wearing a two-piece badge, but the pictures are not clear enough to determine the royal cipher."


Would Cpl Watters be able to scan the photo(s) to the highest resolution your scanner/system can handle, and then digitally enhance the Badge, using PhotoShop to reduce noise, fading etc...to better determine the Badge design properties?  If your able to scan the photo(s), feel free to pass them along, and I’ll try to assist in the enhancement process.

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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2005, 01:12:05 PM »
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Hey Dave,
I can scan the photos no problem, and bring up as much detail using some of the tool in my new Adobe Creative Suite 2 Premium bundle, (likely photoshop with some other third party image repair and enhancement tools), but if the image is truly too grainy, photoshop can only extrapolate so much details.  I'll have to see the image first, which eight require scanning very high resolution, then standing back across the room from the monitor to get a good perspective on it. Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2005, 03:34:51 PM »
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Hey Brian; Adobe CS2 me 2 :-o) 
Any chance to play in Adobe is a good thing!  True; not always bigger is better, but I like to blow things up...must be an old arrrrmeeeee habit :-o)

Always have fun amigo!!!!
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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2005, 12:47:35 PM »
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I am a long time collector of Regimental militaria. I have over 30 different badges in my collection.
During the First War The Regimental Officers wore, on parade dress, a 3 piece VRI cypher badge and with field dress a one piece copper badge again with the VRI cypher. The other ranks wore a 2 piece badge with GVR cypher. The Regiment was granted the right to wear Queen Victoria's cypher on our hatbadge in 1893. The Regiment applied to Buckingham Palace to have the right "in perpetuity" in 1900 but didn't go through Militia Headquarters. The Queen granted the request but, Militia Headquarters "had their backs up". The Regimental Officers continued to wear the Victoria cypher after her passing but the OR's badges bore the cypher of the reigning monarch until 1919 when official approval for the wearing of Queen Victoria's cypher was finally granted. Pro Patria,  Hugh Conway
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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2005, 02:38:38 PM »
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The Canadian War Museum has a very good collection of RCR badges.  I accessed it when doing some research in 1982.
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